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I have some important information reguarding music converts

Postby MikeFuryXP » Tue May 05, 2009 6:08 pm

For about 3 years or more most people say that NSF2midi and SPC2MIDI has a very bad and serious problem with generating decent workable midi's.
I looked at your forums last year quite a bit and noticed that most of you don't approve of or use converted music because the exported file came out unreadbable to most midi editors and camed out damaged.

I have been working on a solution to this problem and I have come up with a full proof soltuion to fix up those messed up midi's and just maybe if a administrator see's this and test out my theory that they would approve some converted music if the user how does everything I said to fix the midi.

I really do love to work with music especially midi's that come from different sources.
Usually I remix some of the midi's found here but don't submit them because I keep it to myself and don't want to a war on a board over something innocent that I "THOUGT" I was doing.

Here are my directions:

1.Open spc2midi, then open a ripped spc either from www.zophar.net or the zsnes emulator.
2.Readjust all the instruments if you can spc2midi and click save.
3.Open the "UNREADABLE" midi in Music studio Producer FULL EDITION. http://www.frieve.com/english/musicstd/musicstd.html
4.Choose export the file as: MIDI standard version 1.
5.It will save the midi and fix any problems with it.
test this out in other midi editing suites such as sonar to make sure other programs can finally open it.

6. -FINAL RESULT-
Now as far as I can tell you if you follow this procedure sonar 4,6,7 and 8.2 can up your midi's when you edit the midi in sonar it will recalibrate the midi with it's patch and adjustments and you will have a new midi ready to submit.
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Re: I have some important information reguarding music converts

Postby Powerlord » Tue May 05, 2009 6:34 pm

MikeFuryXP wrote:I have been working on a solution to this problem and I have come up with a full proof soltuion to fix up those messed up midi's and just maybe if a administrator see's this and test out my theory that they would approve some converted music if the user how does everything I said to fix the midi.

From our upload agreement.
"3. We have now stopped accepting MIDIs converted from music files that were ripped directly from ROM images (NSF->MID, SPC->MID, GYM->MID, etc.). Please do not upload conversions, even if they have been edited. Violators face a ban from uploading and/or removal of all previously submitted files."

I've bolded the appropriate section for emphasis.
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Re: I have some important information reguarding music converts

Postby Blitz Lunar » Tue May 05, 2009 6:43 pm

There's are other problems with *2midi conversions, such as notes not being aligned to the meter (+incorrect tempo, this is a real pain to fix, you basically have to either resequence everything or use a crafty time scaling algorithm, which nearly all sequencers don't have - and even then, it's best to re-enter new notes), glissando notes where pitch bends should be, excessive amounts of pitch, pan, expression, bank and other control data, all percussion being mapped to the hihat & kick drum (nsf) or not being assigned to channel 10 at all (spc), in some cases missing instruments and just plain incorrect notes (due to erroneously tuned samples in the SPCs, usually), then there's issues with more than one voice being allocated to each SPC channel, so you'd have to add your own patch changes/slice up channels and etc etc.

In other words, the rule isn't arbitrary; all these things considered, it really is essentially more trouble than it's worth to make an acceptable sequence out of a conversion in the majority of cases. for all the fuss you go through, you could have transcribed it by ear - and to be honest you need that level of skill to properly clean up a conversion anyway. converting to midi is in no way foolproof. the fact that sometimes the midis are corrupted somehow and can't be opened in sequencers is a secondary issue really, nowhere near the main reason for not accepting conversions on the site.
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Re: I have some important information reguarding music converts

Postby The_Epitome » Wed May 06, 2009 1:56 pm

It's a bit of a difficult to decision to make, but what Lunar said here is the crux of the matter:

for all the fuss you go through, you could have transcribed it by ear - and to be honest you need that level of skill to properly clean up a conversion anyway.


We're after good quality MIDIs, not just any old thing. It may seem that the site 'archive' status means we'll hoard anything, but the quality of a MIDI is something to stand by if you come here (by and large).
Besides, where's the fun in conversion?
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Re: I have some important information reguarding music converts

Postby Jace » Fri May 08, 2009 6:36 am

I remember a while back finding a quick way to make SPC2MIDI conversions function in Anvil/other places but in the end, it isn't worth trying to alter to submit to the archive.

NSF/GBA2MIDI works well in finding the notes to sequence arpeggios though, unless they end up pitch bends... ;<
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Re: I have some important information reguarding music converts

Postby Nova » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:56 pm

On the other hand, I would love to hear MIDIs with SNES instruments, such as the instruments used in Super Metroid. But that's off topic.
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